Talk:1. Gebirgsjaegerdivision Edelweiss

These pages are not the proper place for discussing war crimes/genocide/holocaust. Reto.robotron3000 13:21, 29 August 2012 (CEST)

Holocaust Denial?
The manager of this page repeatedly removes references to the war crimes his unit was found guilty of. This is denying the holocaust, and to whitewash the terrible crimes committed by this specific unit- the summary executions of hundreds of Jews and Greek civilians, is a disservice to history. -Raneman

For raneman, this is not a wiki page about war crimes but about introducing a gaming group. Therefore there is no reason to keep your continuing edits. -K120

The gaming group is named after a group of war criminals. This violates some rules left by Reto, is disrespectful to those killed, and is offensive to many people.

You calling every german a nazi in every game shows how clueless you are and you should be banned from the wikipedia. -Coco

You are putting words in my mouth that I did not say and thus you should be banned from debating. The 1. Gebirgsjagerdivision is proven to have commited war crimes and killed about a thousand innocent people. -Raneman

you called me and knifur nazis, you also called me a nazi apologist which can be seen on the wikipedia changes page. I guess reto will deal with all the tickets players submitted against you tomorrow and get you out of wiki, hopefully out of the game too. -COCO

You're the one that has tried to censor me every step of the way, who has dismissed anything I said with "Shut the fuck up." Perhaps you'd like to tell my Jewish friend who emailed reto a few hours ago about how it's okay to roleplay war criminals because it's "just a game." Genocide is serious business, and naming a clan after any instrument of genocide is simply unacceptable in the eyes of most people. -Raneman

I never talked about holocaust nor do i care about it and i am not here to express my political views, i am not roleplaying a war criminal nor do i support any kinds of crime even be it in war except in videogames, of course. Wiking has no SS in its name and is a totally fictional division, also i think the word "wiking" is something that is refered to northern people.

You seriously mean to imply that the "5. Panzer Wiking Division" is different then the "5. SS Panzer Wiking Division." This excuse must not have been planned out, if you mean to imply that a clan is not based on an SS division despite sharing its exact name with an SS division. -Raneman

It's not the same name, it doesn't have SS in it. I don't care about something that happened long ago which has no relevance to present time and a video game. You have no reason to be bothered by the word "Wiking", if you are then guit playing ww2 games with germans in it. By your logic reto should take out germany because it is all responsible for allegedly war crimes, isn't it? COCO

Except for the fact that it is not called "Wiking" but rather "5. Panzer Wiking Division." One is a german word for "Viking" and the other is a terrible SS unit. Currently it is named after the terrible SS unit.

Please cut off all the non important and political discussion out of this wikipedia.

Okay, I will. Genocide is both important and non-political, so discussion will continue. -Raneman

The so-said genocide is non important in a video game and probably nobody cares and/or wants such information from a video game, let all that to the history books, it has no place in the real world, 2012.

What you have just said is incredibly offensive. You just show your apathy, and by failing to recognize that genocide is a serious issue, you also show that you are immature and a terrible person. If you don't want to discuss genocide, do not name your groups after those who commit it.

I have not expressed my position on the holocaust and never brought the subject up. I simply do not care and is none of my business.

The wikipage is about a H&G platoon, this platoon has never committed war crimes. Therefor saying so on this wikipage is lying. Secondly I did not find a source showing that the 1. Gebirgsjägerdivision, active during WWII is convicted for crimes and the sources you show are by a antifascist ngo. With other words an interest group, I need to dissapoint you but interest groups are not regarded as neutral, objective sources. Third, their also exist long lists about the war crimes done by US Forces, the Commonwealth and france; most of those never punished for! Fourth, the removal of 2 letters is a big deal, because the name of the platoon sounds and is different because of it, in justice & politics this means it is not the same. Five, vandalising pages and harassing people is not the way to express opinions. Six, the names of the 2 platoons you are attacking are not on the list of forbidden organisations. And in the EU we have the right to peacefully unite. Last, end your post with 4 ~. Chlodovech 23:46, 28 August 2012 (CEST)

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There is propably many pages to discuss holocaust but this is surely not the right place. K120

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- If you want to make a message about warcrimes from all WWII units, start with the US warcrimes. Just because most weren't documented, doesn't mean the US army was some kind of holy army. Stop this bullshit. This has nothing to do with saying holocaust didn't happen, this is a game, not a courthouse. Terrible things have happened in WWII, but this is not where you discuss things like that. If you want to make this a political discussion, go join some anti-nazi group and leave WWII wargames. Do you want them to name their units after bunny's and birds? - Dondergod